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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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even the devil was an angel once

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and existence of cryptids in the

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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the phantoms of monsters radio where we

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explore and discuss the unknown and the

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unexplained i'm your host lon stricker

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so tonight we're discussing bigfoot

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and we have three very experienced

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researchers and investigators joining

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the round table

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shane corson was born in scotland and

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moved to san diego california when he

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shane has always been an avid

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outdoorsman adventure at heart and

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in discovering new things shane loves

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tracking hiking fishing

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and testing his survivalist skills

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in 1997 he started doing field research

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on the subject of bigfoot and spoke with

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eyewitnesses

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who had possible encounters primarily in

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the san bernardino mountains yosemite

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and northern california

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shane moved to oregon in 2008

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and continued his research in the

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pacific northwest in 2011 his research

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became all too real to him when he had

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his own bigfoot encounter

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shane's passion and methodology along

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with his ambitions of furthering the

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research of bigfoot evacuated him to

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becoming the proud member of the olympic

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project

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now carter bouchard has been an

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investigator with the bfro for the last

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13 years originally from texas and

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currently lives in missouri

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he has had nearly a hundred reports

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published to the bfr website and has

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interviewed nearly 400 witnesses in

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he is an experienced outdoorsman and

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trained as an investigator for mufon

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he studied hertology in college long

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time special interest in sasquatch

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long-term habituation sites burial

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language and stick structures

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he is a true boots on the ground

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researcher investigator and not a

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desktop warrior

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he has met and visited the properties of

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nearly a half of the witnesses whose

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he monitors and visits several

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properties with ongoing habituation

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activity to this day

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carter's books are titled sasquatch

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evidence of the enigma one and two

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and he is a member of the families of

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an award-winning independent filmmaker

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along with film making ryan is also

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years experienced as a treasure hunter

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research of forgotten folklore and

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uh along with the legend hunter's film

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ryan is an active speaker at ufo bigfoot

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ryan is also known for several films

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mountain devil 2 the search for jan

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clement in 2020 and he is also a member

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of the phantoms of monsters 14 research

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team so guys thanks for coming on this

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yep thanks for having us

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so uh i guess the first question is

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and i'll start off with shane uh what is

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the allure of bigfoot to you i mean why

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so much effort to investigating this

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being in other cryptids

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it it's really simple for me uh

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sasquatch exists i know them to exist

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i can't say that i know

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every in and out about them i can't say

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i know a whole lot about them but i know

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they exist so that's a word to me you

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individuals that have encounters and

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some of them um

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it rocks their world they become afraid

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of going out into nature into the woods

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you have others that want to shout to

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the world that these things exist

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like myself that

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once this entity is solidified as

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existing in it you know being a real

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you know you pursue it and so that's

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where the passion comes from on my end

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these things exist they're out there and

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i want to know as much as i can about

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them

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about you carter

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well i'll mirror what shane said you

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i was leading expeditions and i i

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watched one

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vanish

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while watching it on thermal just one

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step two step boom it just flashlight it

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was gone and i'm sitting there

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i got to go to the dark side i got to go

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to the metaphysical paranormal side

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because this you know flesh and blood

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doesn't explain that you know and then i

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started you know accumulate because i'm

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with bfr i've been doing reports and

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reports and reports these people start

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telling me

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off the wall stuff and you know and like

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shane said as well it changes your life

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it changes your perspective you know

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your reality has changed from the day

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you see one

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or experience one and nobody can take

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that away from it they can try a lot of

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people get ridiculed and all that but

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once i saw that one disappear and i was

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doing reports and hearing the same thing

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i'm going

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these people aren't crazy the ones that

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are crazy are the ones that are just

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ignoring it you know and you don't have

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to believe

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everything you hear but you need to at

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least consider it because we don't have

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any answers you know

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i've seen them three times all at night

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quantum wise metaphysically and it's

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there's something going on that the

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government and others don't want us to

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know and that's why i'm knee-deep in

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how are you ron

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well um

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i've always been shooting films for

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years and we did a lot of horror movies

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over the years and just kind of moved

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into documentaries but you know bigfoot

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goes ufos have always been

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a huge interest because the monster

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aspect of it all right but

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doing the documentaries it was just a

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way to kind of put more concrete in it

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that these things exist but me uh my

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crew were like we always say we're

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hopeful believers you know until i see

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have a better experience i'm hopeful

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that they do exist do i truly believe i

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don't know we have a lot of evidence i

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have a lot of things that happened to us

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all the films

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until i see one or there's a physical

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one there dead or alive you know it's

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it's hard to believe until that happens

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so i guess that's why we keep making the

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films hoping that maybe the evidence

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will sink in stronger every time we make

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like shane and and i've had an encounter

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bigfoot i mean geez this is back in 81

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but i uh you know i had heard a bigfoot

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film but i had no

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intention of doing any investigations

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up about the um the supernatural

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possible supernatural aspect of these

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beings i know what i saw was flesh and

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but you know you hear all these stories

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and you know the evidence has been scant

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just my opinion um

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just my opinion i i don't believe so uh

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i could be wrong you know because uh

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once again nothing's been proven to date

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nobody's been improving so all cards are

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uh you know if it walks like a duck

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talks like a duck and acts like a duck

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sasquatch everything that uh in all my

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intertwined with the sasquatch you know

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hunting animals if it's possibly making

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nests if it's leaving tracks and

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impressions and hair

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if it's uh raiding trash cans you know

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it's it's acting like a known flesh and

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blood creature

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and uh all the

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the audio we recorded over the years the

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things we've got on therm the things

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we've seen in person uh

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both physical evidence and whatnot uh

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points to a a creature that's just very

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very small number but very elusive

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and uh so that's uh that's the angle

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that i come from

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is that i just to date i'm not seeing

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anything that i could not explain

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as a physical creature everything points

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that direction

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yeah

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and you caught her what do you think of

306
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that and i know what you think about

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that well it's it's you know i i began

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as flesh and blood i mean it didn't make

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sense that they could do or be anything

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other than that until i i saw that one

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vanish and

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that's not a camera malfunction i wasn't

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high or drunk or anything it was just

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like

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what

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you know

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and i've heard other things and and then

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the people are starting to tell me

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things that they wouldn't tell anybody

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they've been sitting on for 10 20 30

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years i i can't tell this because i get

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ridiculed just telling you about the

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road crossing and then they start

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telling but they don't want these people

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they're just sincere they don't want

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anything they don't want any fame or

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fortune i want their name out they

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they're just telling you these stories

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and you can tell some of them are deeply

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affected

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you know and the only thing i can equate

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them possibly thinking they're seeing

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things is that

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ptsd or the shock of actually seeing a

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flesh and blood creature that's not

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supposed to exist it's selling right in

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front of you

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and you go into shock and maybe you are

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thinking you saw it disappear or what

340
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have you but there's so many people

341
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they're not in shock they're just

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telling me a story

343
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and it's

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it vanished it went behind a tree went

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in a tree it walked through my wall you

346
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just walked through a wall in my house

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you just it sounds fantastical and

348
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sci-fi but

349
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enough people are coming at me with this

350
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stuff it's there's got to be something

351
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there you know

352
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that's why i say

353
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consider it you don't have to believe it

354
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but put it on the plate and just think

355
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about it you know because there might be

356
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something else

357
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you know

358
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location for the most part a region

359
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now shane is up in the

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uh pacific northwest

361
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you know i i i am kind of of the thought

362
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that there are pods there are

363
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family groups and such of these beans in

364
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certain areas like pacific northwest

365
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maybe around the gulf coast down in

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florida

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but here in the east and uh

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we seem to have a lot of singular

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settings

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of these beings that they will just show

371
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up all of a sudden and then they

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disappear

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uh what are your thoughts on ryan you're

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you're here in pennsylvania

375
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uh we just

376
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did another film called on double three

377
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the bigfoot invasion which we just did a

378
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whole film

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on the possibility of the bigfoot being

380
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an alien or coming from spaceships or

381
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whatever because you know many has such

382
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a wide

383
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uh

384
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a long list of sightings where bigfoots

385
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were seen and then there was a ufo

386
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involved there there were

387
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flashes of light in the woods and

388
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bigfoot's appeared disappear i mean

389
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there were a lot of cases and when i was

390
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interviewing a lot of these uh bigfoot

391
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investigators especially stan gordon who

392
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was always a true believer in flesh and

393
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blood but now he's kind of like

394
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we you know

395
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we almost can't

396
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uh not think about this and i know

397
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there's a small percent of the big foots

398
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of bigfooters i believe that maybe 20 of

399
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them the bigfoot could be an alien

400
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me i you know i'm still on the fence but

401
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uh you got to keep that as an option i

402
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:08,160
mean

403
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somebody people are seeing these and

404
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then seeing ufos at the same time which

405
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is incredible so

406
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it's always a

407
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:16,399
possibility

408
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you know

409
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:20,560
it's a strange thing because um

410
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here in the east and even some parts of

411
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the midwest there's a lot of other

412
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phenomena that are associated with a lot

413
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of these settings um

414
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you said ufos

415
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and uh of course stan was the person who

416
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really started putting that out there

417
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uh after he encounters that he has been

418
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reporting out in the chestnut ridge and

419
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all throughout pennsylvania but we get a

420
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lot of orb sightings and a lot of

421
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:45,760
strange paranormal

422
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phenomena associated with it and

423
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i don't know if you get that out in the

424
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uh pacific northwest as much as we do

425
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,600
what do you say that shane

426
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:57,760
you know a lot of people do report

427
00:15:01,509 --> 00:14:59,279
seeing orbs

428
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i i don't i'm personally taking in maybe

429
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:03,519
one or two reports

430
00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:06,079
um there have been we do get them fairly

431
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:08,320
often up here um

432
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you know my question always is you know

433
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you see an orb why do why is that tied

434
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:14,240
to sasquatch i'm not saying there's

435
00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:15,519
nothing to the orbs i've never

436
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personally seen one the one thing i

437
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,720
thought was an orb i end up

438
00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:20,240
hiking way down this valley because it

439
00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:21,440
was this glowing blue thing and i

440
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thought it was an orb with a group of

441
00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:25,440
people end up being a mushroom a firefox

442
00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,560
mushroom

443
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:28,079
yeah but it looked like an orb it looked

444
00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,839
like it was moving but it's 12 o'clock

445
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,800
in the morning you're out and you're

446
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:32,240
walking around and there's this blue

447
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,240
thing glowing and being a firefox

448
00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:35,839
mushroom i think a lot of it can be

449
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:37,360
explained not everything i've got good

450
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:38,880
friends that have seen some weird stuff

451
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:41,199
and that i i i know they're telling the

452
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:42,560
truth and and i know they've done their

453
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due diligence

454
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um

455
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:47,440
my question always is you know there's a

456
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lot of weird stuff that happens out in

457
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the woods in these remote areas and in

458
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,560
nine remote areas sometimes but why does

459
00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:54,079
that you know my question always is why

460
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:55,279
is that tying with sasquatch just

461
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,480
because you're in the woods and because

462
00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:58,000
you're in you know you're involved in

463
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:59,839
this phenomena or you're looking for

464
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:00,959
something and you see that and then you

465
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:03,279
automatically put two and two together

466
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,360
not that people haven't seen per se i

467
00:16:08,629 --> 00:16:07,360
guess both the sasquatch in an orb or

468
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,639
something like that i know people have

469
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:10,959
claimed that but um gotta do your due

470
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,480
diligence and try and get to the bottom

471
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,079
of things like i did with the firefox

472
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,839
mushroom if i just said if i taken a

473
00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:17,440
photo of it or a video it would have

474
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:19,360
looked like an orb but i i went the

475
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,040
extra step of figuring out what the heck

476
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,880
this thing was and it was it was

477
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,720
a pain to get there but when i got there

478
00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,000
i realized we're just looking at a

479
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:28,560
mushroom um so

480
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document everything and go the extra

481
00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:32,399
mile to figure out what it is if you're

482
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,839
bold enough

483
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:36,639
um

484
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:40,079
i i got a question here uh from james in

485
00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:42,880
in the chat what's the best bigfoot

486
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:45,279
video after patty

487
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,759
i i personally say the freeman film i i

488
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:49,360
find that interesting i i don't know

489
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what do you say carter

490
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freeman that that would be freeman uh

491
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you know

492
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not to mention

493
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,959
some of the things in my private

494
00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:59,279
collection i can't show right but the

495
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,000
freeman uh and i know a lot of people

496
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,079
kind of poopoo that you know he's kind

497
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,160
of 50 50 with folks but

498
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:08,160
he's just a good old down-home boy i

499
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,760
don't know if he's sophisticated enough

500
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to

501
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:15,280
and all that but i just

502
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,600
that's just really legit i've got the

503
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,160
print here on my wall uh

504
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,319
which i don't think has dermal ridges

505
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:24,880
but some other prints uh do have dermal

506
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,280
ridges but i say the freeman film is

507
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probably right behind patty

508
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what do you think ryan

509
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i have to agree with you

510
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yeah okay quick to the point sorry on

511
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and and you shane

512
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are you luchene

513
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i guess we

514
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did we lose shane uh vincent

515
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okay well we'll we'll go on from there

516
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uh

517
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i got a question from vince what's the

518
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,039
most convincing evidence

519
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:22,080
you've seen personally of bigfoot okay

520
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,039
uh

521
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:26,000
carter what do you say to that

522
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:27,440
well

523
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the best evidence that i have

524
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,960
seen was

525
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being gifted a certain number of rocks

526
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in a certain location that

527
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signified

528
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the number of people in my expedition

529
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party and it appeared

530
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overnight

531
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uh then i had left a camera there i went

532
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back to get the camera the next morning

533
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,320
and there was six rocks on this log

534
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in two little groups five on one end and

535
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,880
one on the other

536
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,039
it you know i was leading the expedition

537
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,880
there was four expedition goers there

538
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,960
was four rocks behind my rock which is

539
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:07,440
kind of a larger triangular rock and at

540
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the other end was my partner

541
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,919
harold in

542
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,799
illinois who was with us but he was not

543
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,320
with us because

544
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,000
he was too physically

545
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,840
you know injured at the time to make

546
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:21,919
this trek so he stayed in the car in the

547
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,559
parking lot so there was one

548
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:27,520
rock at the end five on the others

549
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and it it was a message that we

550
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:33,760
know who you are we saw you here in the

551
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a message it was a conversation they

552
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,320
were communicating with me to let me

553
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,520
know

554
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,120
we saw you there and we understand you

555
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,120
were talking to us trying to communicate

556
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,160
with us that was just it was out of

557
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,000
it was incredible you know what when i

558
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,000
talk about it when i saw at that time i

559
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,919
i i get chills every time i even talk

560
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,600
about it because it was just like

561
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,280
oh my god

562
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,720
how could this have happened because we

563
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,400
left at midnight we came back i came

564
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,080
back the next morning at eight o'clock

565
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,919
the chances of somebody being in that

566
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,120
location

567
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:09,039
at midnight this is trail of tears in

568
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,799
illinois

569
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,280
between 12 at night and eight in the

570
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:15,200
morning aren't really good

571
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:16,159
you know

572
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,000
and how would they know to put five

573
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,559
rocks and it was just i don't believe in

574
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,280
coincidences so that was my best

575
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,559
uh evidence that i'm on the right track

576
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,440
that for me it just hands down

577
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,480
incredible

578
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,000
how are you ryan what's the best

579
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,039
evidence you've seen uh actually when we

580
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,120
were shooting mountain devil one

581
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:40,240
this one must been 2010 11.

582
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,799
uh there's a an area in clearfield

583
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,799
rockton area where there was quite a few

584
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,960
sightings for quite a while

585
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,440
so one evening dave rupert and i decided

586
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,880
well we're gonna go out and just kind of

587
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,720
see what we can hear or sound

588
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,000
uh we were

589
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:55,919
way back in the woods far from anybody

590
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,240
or anything there was a nice clearing

591
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,400
and uh and about two three in the

592
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,039
morning we started having rocks thrown

593
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:04,320
at us

594
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,600
they weren't coming from the sky because

595
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:07,440
we were out in the middle of a field

596
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,720
so they were you could hear them coming

597
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,400
right through the trees right at us and

598
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:12,320
you could hear something walking across

599
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:13,280
the

600
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,480
it stumbled

601
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,320
which was odd i've never heard

602
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:21,039
like something going and then stumbling

603
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,720
and then after that it left and

604
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,080
previously in the night we had wood

605
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,240
knockings that weren't far away

606
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,840
and then about a few months later sean

607
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,360
forker and his guys were up in the same

608
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,640
area and they had

609
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,280
experiences too so yeah we know about

610
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,760
sean's experience up there

611
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,080
so that was the only night ever like

612
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,679
hairs on the back of my head neck were

613
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,679
standing up it was actually frightening

614
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,360
because i turned to dave i said you have

615
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,760
your gun he's like no do you have yours

616
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,760
like we didn't know we were actually

617
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,360
kind of like wow what is this what's

618
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,280
going on you know yeah i don't think you

619
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,440
guys ever figured out what that was but

620
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,120
it was i know it's

621
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,240
scared of jesus out of sean in his bunch

622
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,919
well eric holman and his crew were up

623
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:01,919
there great and they had rocks thrown at

624
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,960
them at different times

625
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,120
interesting yeah shane before you you

626
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,280
got cut off um

627
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,559
what film

628
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,480
beyond the paddy film do you think is

629
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,559
the best evidence yeah sorry i lost

630
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,799
power there for a second but uh

631
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,880
uh yeah the i have to agree with carter

632
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,720
the paul freeman footage i think is is

633
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,039
phenomenal um i really do i really like

634
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,200
it i think it's one of the best out

635
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:28,000
there um and once again just like the

636
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,200
patterson gimlin film has not been

637
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,720
disproven and

638
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,159
it's staying the test of time which says

639
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,400
a lot um i also think uh jonathan and

640
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,640
sarah brown as far as thermal footage is

641
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,240
concerned you know the online project

642
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,480
does have some but uh jonathan sarah

643
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,480
brown out chahilis washington captured

644
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,240
uh well jonathan did but it was their

645
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,159
property uh captured the what i believe

646
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,280
is the sasquatch on on on therm um one

647
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,640
and i've been investigated i've been out

648
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,080
there it's fantastic i think it's one of

649
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,240
the best to date and and there's others

650
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:56,000
um

651
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,000
a lot of great evidence over the years i

652
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,840
mean there's a lot of good stuff

653
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,840
in-house and outhouse and

654
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,360
talked a lot of interesting individuals

655
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,600
that have shared a lot of interesting

656
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,320
very tantalizing stuff uh i think that

657
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:11,679
academia would get a kick out of but

658
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,200
they paid attention uh but um i honestly

659
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,600
i do think uh and and i'm

660
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,520
you know i guess i'm gonna

661
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,880
kind of to my own horn here but i think

662
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,880
the the nest area that we're working on

663
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,480
currently right now it's it's

664
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,799
it really is you know uh it's the reason

665
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,640
i moved to washington state it is

666
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,000
literally the reason i moved up here i

667
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,919
was so enthralled with these nests and

668
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:34,080
having talked and you know spoken with

669
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,360
the guy that originally found them a

670
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,880
timber surveyor

671
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,400
that you know in 27 years had never

672
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:41,120
found anything like this uh i to me with

673
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:42,000
the

674
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,400
getting out of this area even currently

675
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,960
uh to me it's just it it's to me it's

676
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,640
just absolutely astounding it's amazing

677
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,799
so you know i guess uh that to me is the

678
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,159
most amazing

679
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:00,720
stuff that you know today yeah the film

680
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,720
uh that that sean took of the lipper

681
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,919
project and you guys have been

682
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,279
investigating

683
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,200
details that pretty well and uh why

684
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,640
don't you tell everybody a bit about

685
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,480
that um

686
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,919
you don't think these are being used

687
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,840
anymore they're an older

688
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,919
they're older pods or older nesting

689
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:19,039
areas

690
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,320
uh

691
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,400
what are your thoughts on it

692
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,720
yeah i mean i think they were

693
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,559
we're pretty sure they're made

694
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,960
you know they the original nest there

695
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,960
was made in the month of february to

696
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,640
beginning of march and that coincides

697
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,320
with the seasonal salmon run up in this

698
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,279
area um it's in a remote area um it's

699
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,360
hard to get to it's behind locked gates

700
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,600
uh on on timberland

701
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:42,880
um

702
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,799
today we found 24 of these things uh two

703
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,799
of them are actually built into

704
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,640
the huckleberry bushes

705
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,320
uh off the ground they're smaller we

706
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,360
call them practice nets because they

707
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,960
look like little miniature

708
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,000
nests

709
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,480
that mirror image the ones on the ground

710
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,159
and they nest range in size from about

711
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,240
three and a half feet to you know almost

712
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,520
eight and a half feet

713
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,159
uh all um for the most part are bathtub

714
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,360
shaped they're all made out of

715
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,520
huckleberry valves with bigger branches

716
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,960
on the bottom

717
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,720
smaller branches on top

718
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,799
and uh you know dr melvin when we

719
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,919
brought him out a couple years ago he

720
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,360
knows that when we

721
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,520
deconstructed one of these nests

722
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,720
notice that some of the huckleberry

723
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,080
bells were pushed in the ground and this

724
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,919
was formulated around it kind of like a

725
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:25,039
bed frame

726
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,640
and then you got this really cushioned

727
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,880
area and big indentation where

728
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,240
something's been laying for a while we

729
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,919
don't think these nests are

730
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,640
made for a day say like uh would a a

731
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,679
gorilla would do make a a bed a nest and

732
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,520
then take off these were

733
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,279
there was they're over a foot in depth

734
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,000
made out of a ton of material

735
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,480
that um it would it wouldn't make sense

736
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,080
and they're in clusters

737
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,480
they're basically you got a ridge line

738
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,240
with fingers or plateaus coming off of

739
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,640
this and a seasonal salmon creek with a

740
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,559
steep incline down there

741
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,120
um they're made into um

742
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,720
uh yeah and that that picture there's an

743
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,840
older picture i mean when they were

744
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,440
originally found they were all green and

745
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,840
lush this is this is like two years

746
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,039
later

747
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,240
um but uh you know they they're they're

748
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,600
almost militarily shaped uh or patterned

749
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,679
you know in b formations on these uh

750
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,919
fingers in clusters you'll have fiber

751
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,480
you know seven to five in one spot 300

752
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,240
you know yards or 150 yards away in the

753
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,000
next plateau you'll have three or four

754
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,039
more another 150 yards 50 yards away

755
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,520
you'll have another cluster

756
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,360
these were used for i think more than a

757
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:33,679
day probably a week or longer

758
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,720
and we got a lot of ideas as to

759
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,559
you know if it isn't if indeed it is

760
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,880
sasquatch making these nests

761
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,799
um you know it could be a possible

762
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,640
birthing scenario because we did uh for

763
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,000
the first time

764
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,520
you know 2016 these things were

765
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,840
discovered we spent the for that year

766
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,760
finding a bunch more

767
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,679
after we're given you know permission to

768
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,400
do what we do and uh we didn't find

769
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,919
anything new after those first

770
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:01,919
23 nests were discovered we looked and

771
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,679
looked uh the same area adjacent ravines

772
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,880
and todd hill and i in 2020 february

773
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,120
2020 came across something making one of

774
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,919
these things we did not see it but we

775
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,360
had this thing approach us and then it

776
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,000
retreated circled around us

777
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,520
and um

778
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,760
we uh never got eyes on it but heard it

779
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,399
sounded massive sounded bipedal we get

780
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,919
down into the area

781
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,960
and uh lo and behold there's a nest

782
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,880
being made in the month we assume these

783
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,799
things would be made and we don't assume

784
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,080
they're being made every year they're

785
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,399
probably made every four to five years

786
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,039
uh based on what we've been looking at

787
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,279
and uh this thing left hand impressions

788
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,679
it left foot impressions it left hair

789
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,679
uh we brought cliff bergman he's a good

790
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,600
friend of ours out and we he helped cast

791
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:50,000
a lot of these tracks and impressions

792
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:51,120
um

793
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,080
and so

794
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:54,000
it's a it's a continuing uh

795
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,279
investigation

796
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,200
in fact we've been doing in this area is

797
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,960
we've been doing long-term audio chris

798
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,760
spencer uh david ellis of the england

799
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,919
project uh chris spencer specifically in

800
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,120
this area

801
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:06,960
we've been placing long-term audio units

802
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,600
that record you know upwards of 30 days

803
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,320
um and uh some of the audio we've gone

804
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,399
out of this area is you know it's it's

805
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,240
it's amazing it's dumbfounding it it

806
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,880
sounds very primate very primate-like in

807
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,399
a lot of aspects when we got the usual

808
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:22,080
wood knocks and all that

809
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,880
um

810
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,120
but uh these things aren't you know if

811
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,279
indeed sasquatch and i do believe it is

812
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,960
they're not in there all the time it's a

813
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,039
seasonal thing they do move through this

814
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,279
area i think as part of their i won't

815
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,760
say migration but transitorial you know

816
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,760
trespassing and moving around they move

817
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,679
it through this area but they do hunker

818
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,080
down i think in the months of february

819
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,919
march possibly for a birthing scenario

820
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,320
but also because of the salmon runs in

821
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,679
this area

822
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,360
you know even the olympics it doesn't

823
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,120
get a whole lot of snow it's very it's

824
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,360
got a very micro climate you'll still

825
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,200
see huckleberry

826
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,520
uh berries uh through february in this

827
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,480
area which i think is really interesting

828
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,159
and this area does have a lot of bear

829
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,600
it's got a lot of cougars got a lot of

830
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,399
deer you use your unglets but the deers

831
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,279
the the bears seem to vacate this area

832
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,799
when when you know we think the

833
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,559
sasquatch around we don't find scat or

834
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,240
any sign of bear

835
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,919
and then yeah and so it's just like they

836
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,919
just take off so there's there's a lot

837
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,760
there's a lot to this area

838
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,440
but uh you know come tomorrow we're

839
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
gonna be spending a week out in this

840
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,640
area we've been leaving alone other than

841
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,320
placing long-term audio out there and i

842
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,840
am based on the audio we think

843
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,279
something's going on out there maybe

844
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,360
possibly this is the year they're making

845
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,880
or there will be more nests found and

846
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,559
i'm excited about that

847
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,440
how big do you think the group is

848
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,840
well there's uh it's uh so uh when i

849
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,440
first moved up to washington i stayed on

850
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,600
a buddy's property that was about

851
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:45,360
10 miles away

852
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,559
from the nest

853
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,960
um in a remote area and the reason i

854
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,159
stayed on this property i was waiting

855
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,600
for my house to foreclose and i stayed

856
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,520
in my trailer on this guy's property

857
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,279
another olympic project member and he

858
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,720
said stay on this property because

859
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,000
there's a logging gate right down the

860
00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,640
road and two different loggers reported

861
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,440
seeing

862
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:03,360
at like 3 30 in the morning while

863
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,320
they're waiting for the gate to be

864
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,399
opened they reported seeing

865
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:09,120
a unit of four a small you know two

866
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,880
months apart they didn't know each other

867
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:12,880
these loggers but they both saw the same

868
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,600
thing a large male female and two

869
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:17,039
smaller ones

870
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:18,240
um

871
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,480
months of march

872
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,360
so um i you know if indeed we're dealing

873
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,120
with sasquatch in this area and once

874
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,000
again i do believe that um

875
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,679
probably four or five

876
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:33,360
maybe maybe i would say no more than

877
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,720
seven possibly

878
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:35,679
um

879
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,120
because ten miles away for for two

880
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,799
different loggers seeing at least a unit

881
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,760
of four

882
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,000
that tells me a lot and uh that's what

883
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,760
that's what i assume that i could i

884
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,240
could be wrong right

885
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,960
well that brings up another question um

886
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:53,760
and i'll i'll throw this to you quarter

887
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,470
glad you asked

888
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,880
because i've got i've got uh three

889
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,600
habituation properties i

890
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,559
i visit i i say i manage but i'm i'm

891
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,000
welcome there i just let them know i'm

892
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,480
coming and they live there

893
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:13,760
and

894
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,240
one family has had them for probably

895
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,480
three generations

896
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,000
grandma

897
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,840
great grandpa

898
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,840
this family

899
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,159
they have them and they interact with

900
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,880
them in one way shape or form

901
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,960
once a week once a month they'll see

902
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,159
them they'll hear them i've been there

903
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,240
i've sat on the porch and traded howls

904
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:37,120
and and clacks back and forth i mean

905
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,480
that's a treat but they've seen

906
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,240
two groups

907
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,640
of of three or four

908
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,120
uh shane had mentioned and so but

909
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:49,120
they're different colors so there's at

910
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,000
least

911
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,880
two families one of four and one of

912
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,200
three living on their property the scene

913
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,039
and one of them is is kind of reddish

914
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,480
and the other is kind of a grayish

915
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,640
blackish you know

916
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,600
and they've

917
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,720
they're friendly enough with them

918
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:05,279
they've shown them their babies

919
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,159
right

920
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,360
one guy walks up he walks to the uh he

921
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,519
walks about a quarter mile to his gate

922
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,360
gets his mail and walks back in the

923
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,960
morning 7 7 30 every morning like

924
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:17,200
clockwork who watch the dog up there

925
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,080
and

926
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,799
as he gets toward the gate the dog which

927
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,200
is a really highly trained

928
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:25,919
attack dog suddenly just cowers and

929
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,120
whimpers and just gets quiet and that's

930
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:31,519
how he knows they're there but

931
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,960
they hear and see them often they give

932
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,279
them you know apples bags apples oranges

933
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,440
leftovers and things of that nature i've

934
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,960
got three families that do that one of

935
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,880
them another one that's in southeast

936
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,399
missouri

937
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,559
they call the

938
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,440
wife

939
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,279
by the name

940
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,880
her husband calls it a little like you

941
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,559
know sugar pie you know a little a

942
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,399
little lovey-dovey name it's not sugar

943
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,519
pie but some

944
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,559
similar to her name but

945
00:33:10,710 --> 00:32:59,519
they

946
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,720
been dealing with them for 15 to 20

947
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,440
years this family and then before that

948
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,799
before they moved on to the property

949
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,440
after the grandparents died

950
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,279
they heard the stories and so they're

951
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,080
continuing the

952
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:25,039
relationship so to speak they're there i

953
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,399
mean

954
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,919
the funny thing is

955
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,159
is that they forget to tell me it's such

956
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,960
a regular thing with them and that's how

957
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,320
you know

958
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,360
i haven't talked to you in a couple

959
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:36,880
weeks what's been going on well we went

960
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,039
down we got a new car and i went down to

961
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:41,279
walmart today and oh well bobby saw

962
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,549
just matter of fact like you know i want

963
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:48,399
to get a haircut i saw a sasquatch they

964
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,360
don't

965
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,760
it's not that big of a deal

966
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,840
until people who don't believe or have

967
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:55,279
never been to their property see

968
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,480
something or hear something what was

969
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,760
that well

970
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,440
depending on their believability they

971
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,039
either tell them what it is or they will

972
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,880
tell them something else just to change

973
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,559
the subject but

974
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:08,159
there are ongoing habituation properties

975
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,200
and people are having these

976
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,839
relationships a lot

977
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:13,440
and so

978
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,800
it's a real deal

979
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,639
how about you ryan have you seen any

980
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,119
evidence of that here in pennsylvania uh

981
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:21,119
i hear stories a lot of the maryville

982
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:22,079
area

983
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:23,040
okay

984
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,919
um

985
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,679
families up there but they're seeing

986
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,800
like the

987
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,760
short

988
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,960
bigfoots

989
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:31,200
they call them that apple steelers or i

990
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,480
can't remember the name of that abba

991
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,480
twitch or whatever you call them yeah

992
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,720
yeah like these short small people

993
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,639
and the indians there's a lot of indian

994
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,480
uh

995
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,159
indians that live up that way and they

996
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,839
have stories about the

997
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,839
small bigfoots that are still apples and

998
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,440
what have you but really just up in the

999
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,760
marionville area i mean uh i'm sure

1000
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,280
people down by the chestnut area

1001
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,359
probably have that occur more often i

1002
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,440
just don't know of anything yeah i mean

1003
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,400
i i live not far from there and uh yeah

1004
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,520
we do

1005
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,280
we have heard of a lot of

1006
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:03,760
possible habituation with the smaller

1007
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,800
albert which or these other beings and

1008
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:08,400
i've had reports of people seeing them

1009
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,920
running around in fields and such but uh

1010
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,480
yeah you know the habituation overall

1011
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,839
you don't hear a whole lot of it around

1012
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,880
here how about you uh shane do you hear

1013
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,119
a lot of that up there in the uh pacific

1014
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,960
northwest

1015
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,200
rumors of it i mean um

1016
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,200
not a whole lot you know no offense to

1017
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,880
anybody like once again i can't prove

1018
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,640
anything i'm not a big fan of the

1019
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,240
habituation um

1020
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,839
i've investigated

1021
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,520
uh people that have had them freaking

1022
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,359
around you know uh frequently been

1023
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:39,119
around their house for lengthy periods

1024
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,079
of time

1025
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,160
my problem with habituation is if

1026
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,400
something's an area too long like the

1027
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,119
nest area for example uh the nest area

1028
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,560
basically i compare the nest area to

1029
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,720
like a house you can't see the nest from

1030
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,720
above or below you can't walk in that

1031
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,240
door until you walk in that door once

1032
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,920
you walk in to the necessary complete

1033
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,200
destruction all around there all the

1034
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:58,720
huckleberry bowel's broken it's cleared

1035
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,440
out

1036
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,520
lit leaves are stripped off

1037
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:03,040
if you give up your cards then you're

1038
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,400
going to be known so if you hang out in

1039
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,520
an area too long i don't care if you're

1040
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,079
a sasquatch or a bear or a deer or a

1041
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,160
moose or whatever have you you're in the

1042
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,480
area too much too long

1043
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,640
um then you're gonna you need you need

1044
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,760
food you need all that stuff you're

1045
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,119
gonna leave a lot of impressions you're

1046
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:19,200
gonna leave a lot of uh you're gonna be

1047
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,400
known to be in that area and then give

1048
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,720
up your cover that's the issue i have

1049
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,560
not that sasquatch zone isn't frequent

1050
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,400
areas i do believe that i think they're

1051
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,640
curious and they frequent areas but i'm

1052
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,240
not uh

1053
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,079
i'm not really i don't know anybody up

1054
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,079
here personally that

1055
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,320
claims to have you know habituate

1056
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,640
anything or you know in sasquatch

1057
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:40,880
i have heard rumors um i'm not seeing

1058
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,599
any personally any evidence of that

1059
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,920
um i think sasquatch does what it does

1060
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,320
and and uh you know if uh you know one

1061
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,359
of the the the just real quick is uh you

1062
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,839
know donna donna um this lady we worked

1063
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,520
with for for a while she moved into a

1064
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,599
remote air well not a remote area but a

1065
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,880
house that was vacant for like four

1066
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,079
years

1067
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,680
and for the you know over a couple of

1068
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,839
years she she would see this thing she

1069
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,440
would it would you know yell it would

1070
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:07,280
scare her dogs or animals they would

1071
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,200
throw stuff at their house but it wasn't

1072
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,240
there for

1073
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,160
like months on end it would come back

1074
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,520
and go and sometimes it'd be much with

1075
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:15,200
nothing and all of a sudden it's back

1076
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,160
um

1077
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,839
you know single female limited house her

1078
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:20,400
husband traveled around the country

1079
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,119
but

1080
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,839
it had a fascination with with her and i

1081
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,440
think that mainly because her house had

1082
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,920
a bunch of windows and no blinds and so

1083
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,240
it could watch her from the woods

1084
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,359
it's tv so i think they they they get

1085
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,599
curious and they'll hang out in area

1086
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,760
but to stay in one area and

1087
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,839
get all the substances all the nutrients

1088
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,280
and all the you know food and water you

1089
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,640
need you're going to give yourself up at

1090
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,560
some point in time so maybe there's some

1091
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,720
to it i don't know

1092
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,920
well

1093
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,079
i got another question here um from

1094
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,800
summer nights and neon lights uh how do

1095
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,359
the bigfoot handle the cold weather and

1096
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,520
the climate

1097
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,119
i mean i guess just like any other

1098
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,040
animal i mean you know they seem to

1099
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,040
adjust them now

1100
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,560
what about a quarter

1101
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,320
well you know

1102
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,720
there's a lot of theory and when i first

1103
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,440
got into this i didn't really

1104
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:14,720
consider this to be valid but uh caves

1105
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,240
living in caves yeah you know they are

1106
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,320
temperature controlled here in missouri

1107
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,000
we have you know

1108
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,720
storage that's all caves and it's it's

1109
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,359
year-round 74 degrees i mean you know

1110
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,880
winter summer

1111
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,760
it's temperate the whole time so my only

1112
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,119
problem with them you know living in

1113
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,400
caves would be if i was on the run i'd

1114
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,119
want a way out i'd want a back door you

1115
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,359
know but they have watchers and they you

1116
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,720
know there's one that watches while

1117
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,800
everybody else is sleeping or eating and

1118
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,640
they probably take turns but you know

1119
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,480
but you know i think if you're in the

1120
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
caves and if you can if you can control

1121
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,560
your body heat you can just dig a hole

1122
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,560
you can crawl under a log you can you

1123
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,720
can get into a tight space and use your

1124
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,079
body heat

1125
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,480
to keep yourself warm in really extreme

1126
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:03,200
uh areas but they would have to live

1127
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,280
in caves or have some type of

1128
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,200
control within their bodies where they

1129
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,880
could

1130
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,040
stay warm uh

1131
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,880
mental thing or

1132
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:16,079
the body does some kind of

1133
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,200
transformation i'm not talking about

1134
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,480
metaphysical stuff i'm just talking

1135
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,760
about there's a you know chemical thing

1136
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:21,040
going on where they can control their

1137
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,839
heat

1138
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,839
you know uh you know like ducks with all

1139
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,440
their layers and their feathers and

1140
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,200
they're down and stuff you know they may

1141
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,000
have compacted hairs that keep them

1142
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,640
much warmer than we would anticipate you

1143
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:33,760
know

1144
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,359
bad some places and uh

1145
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,520
the winter and

1146
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,119
they got to be using some type of

1147
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,640
shelter wouldn't you think

1148
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,320
well i have to agree with them yeah most

1149
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,520
likely caves

1150
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,880
we have a theory for a while that they

1151
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,280
move a lot like bears especially the

1152
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,880
chestnut ridge and the mountain range

1153
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,079
goes all the way up to new york all the

1154
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,320
way down below west virginia you know

1155
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,000
most likely they're traveling that and

1156
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,520
they have a pattern kind of like bears

1157
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,839
do so colder months come they kind of go

1158
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,760
down south a little bit more warms up

1159
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:05,839
they come back up but uh most of the

1160
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,960
time like carter said mostly using caves

1161
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,319
like they probably have a route that

1162
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,839
they use and they just

1163
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,440
hey we have a home up north we have a

1164
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,040
home north south and they just kind of

1165
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:17,280
rotate up and down that was our area for

1166
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,640
the longest time

1167
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,240
you know i agree with that i think

1168
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,319
there's a possibility that

1169
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,880
the bigfoot that

1170
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,000
around here

1171
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,440
do um

1172
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,000
migrate through the the appalachias i

1173
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,440
mean uh

1174
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,720
you know there's a lot of mountain there

1175
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:34,319
a lot of valleys a lot of area a lot of

1176
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,359
cover

1177
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,200
uh they may very well utilize that

1178
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,040
well totally yeah

1179
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,560
it's such a long

1180
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,640
it's yeah i mean people don't realize

1181
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,400
we're going all the way down to georgia

1182
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,040
up into you know up into maine of course

1183
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,359
and yeah and we do get a lot of

1184
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,000
sightings along these the ridge i mean

1185
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,319
along the appalachian trail and in you

1186
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,359
know along the ridgeline so uh

1187
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,720
possibly

1188
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,720
uh you know shane you mentioned that

1189
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:04,000
it's pretty tempered up there where

1190
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,119
you're at

1191
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,359
and i think that's pretty conducive to

1192
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,359
them being able to survive and

1193
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,880
especially in groups up there what do

1194
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:12,079
you think

1195
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,520
yeah i mean you mentioned it earlier i

1196
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,280
think you know i mean deer survive up

1197
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,359
here wolves survive up here black bears

1198
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,640
survive up here black bears are

1199
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,160
semi-hibernaters they're not true

1200
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,400
hibernators they'll wake up and yeah so

1201
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,880
um all these animals do it and i think

1202
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,480
they're more transitory so if you look

1203
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:28,160
at like the elk populations up here you

1204
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,359
know where to find them at certain times

1205
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,040
of the year you know they go up and down

1206
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,480
these mountains you know to go down to

1207
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,839
the valley and then go up you know

1208
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:36,000
depending on the snow line and it's it's

1209
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,280
not so much a migration it's just

1210
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,599
transitory elevational transitory

1211
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,560
movement

1212
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,000
i think sasquatch does that we don't

1213
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,520
have a whole lot of caves out here um

1214
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,440
but and in some of these areas we do get

1215
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,960
a ton you know up in the olympics they

1216
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,720
do get a lot of snow but you just move

1217
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,240
that's you just move the elk do it the

1218
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,240
bear do it yeah all the animals do it so

1219
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,240
they just move down in elevation

1220
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,079
and that's why if you look at numbers or

1221
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:57,280
sightings

1222
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,800
at lower elevations you know around

1223
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:02,000
homesteads where people are because

1224
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,960
people are not up on these mountains

1225
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:04,640
being trapped by snow they're down lower

1226
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,440
well that's where you're going to have

1227
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,800
your sasquatch sightings and your bear

1228
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
sightings your elk sightings because

1229
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,240
there's less snow down there in the

1230
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,839
valleys and then you get up high and

1231
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,599
yeah there's a ton of snow so

1232
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:15,200
i think it's a transitory thing and i

1233
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,640
think the sasquatch i mean they are

1234
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,200
hairy i think they're they're well uh

1235
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:21,440
well made to live out in these areas and

1236
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,319
they can

1237
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,400
you know move around and uh

1238
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,960
you know find a stump or uh build a nest

1239
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,200
or uh you know find these warm pockets

1240
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,800
or you know i mean up in the olympics

1241
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,200
too you're surrounded by the coast

1242
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,800
you know so you can go into these little

1243
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,040
micro climate areas where tons of food

1244
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:38,960
you know and and uh survive and thrive

1245
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,560
there uh and uh stay warm so it's yeah i

1246
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,520
i don't i don't think there's a whole

1247
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,960
lot to it i think they're just you know

1248
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,079
they're they're made for their

1249
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,839
environment and they're they're geniuses

1250
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,079
in their environment just like every

1251
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,599
other animal that's out there now that

1252
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:53,200
survives

1253
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,990
carter no the other thing i can think of

1254
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,880
uh

1255
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,000
is

1256
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,400
abandoned buildings yeah

1257
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,720
there's a lot of that here

1258
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,359
buildings uh you know the farm you know

1259
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,960
sheds you know

1260
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,119
um hay sheds that are just out in the

1261
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,400
middle of nowhere nobody goes where they

1262
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,920
stash the hay and they go back and take

1263
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,520
a you know a bale or two and then

1264
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,599
they're gone

1265
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,960
awfully wonderful insulation

1266
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,319
and the only other thing that i will

1267
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,160
come up with other than the cave systems

1268
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,040
in you know abandoned buildings is if

1269
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,720
they have a way

1270
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:31,599
as

1271
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,960
you know this is going to get into the

1272
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,280
paranormal aspect but if they have a way

1273
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,040
to meditate and

1274
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,839
lower their body temperature or raise it

1275
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,000
as many of you know the monks and

1276
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,920
tibetans can do

1277
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,800
uh

1278
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,040
that might be a possibility but

1279
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,640
as shayna mentioned i mentioned it you

1280
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,800
know you know how many layers of hair do

1281
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,839
they really have you know

1282
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,040
what if you've got three or four you've

1283
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,720
got a couple of coats of down and then

1284
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,800
you've got a couple of coats of hair

1285
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,520
yeah

1286
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:01,119
you know you could be in zero degrees

1287
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,680
and just break a sweat you know yeah

1288
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,400
um i mean this this goes to shane i'm

1289
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,720
burning it ass could those nests be

1290
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,880
uh where they raise their young or use

1291
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,240
them to have young and i think you

1292
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,599
mentioned that

1293
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,480
yeah birthing plates uh possibly their

1294
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,400
birthing or some sort of uh you know

1295
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,720
nursery scenario but not for we're not

1296
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,000
talking like they're using these things

1297
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,079
for months on end there's a spell of

1298
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,160
time and i guarantee it's no longer than

1299
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,680
february through march so no longer than

1300
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,920
two months but i would assume probably

1301
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,560
a week to a month tops in this area

1302
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,440
um

1303
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,160
so uh yeah i mean i that's where i lean

1304
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,000
based on the number of nests and the

1305
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,079
size of nests and also based on those

1306
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,800
bush nests and the reason those bushness

1307
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,160
the ones we call the practice nest

1308
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:48,079
they're like a mirror image

1309
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,200
of what's on the ground but they're

1310
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,480
built three or four feet into the

1311
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,480
huckleberry bushes the reason those are

1312
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,319
so fascinating they're two of them we

1313
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,640
found and two on the same ridge line but

1314
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,119
in two different nest sites

1315
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,800
the interesting thing is derrick

1316
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,400
randalls had done a lot of research on

1317
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,480
this um after he got the visit there and

1318
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,680
was led out there by this timber

1319
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,760
surveyor and a couple of dnr the

1320
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,280
department of natural resources and the

1321
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,800
owner of this property

1322
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,400
when he saw that bushness he did a lot

1323
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,319
of research on and well it's it's

1324
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,839
gorillas that's how they teach their

1325
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,680
young to build nests they practice nests

1326
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,200
and the little ones will do that and

1327
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,280
it's a mirror image but not it won't

1328
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,440
hold any weight it was just a almost

1329
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,119
like a practice nest

1330
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,440
and so that tells me you got big ones

1331
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:29,839
and you got little ones and so it's some

1332
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,440
sort of family unit i would suspect

1333
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,839
uh and that they're there for a reason

1334
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,599
probably because of a birthing scenario

1335
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,280
or a nursery scenario for a spell of

1336
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,839
time and also because of the nutrients

1337
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,680
the amount of food in that area at that

1338
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,880
time of year

1339
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,800
and that the micro climate is phenomenal

1340
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,560
so yeah yeah

1341
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,880
we have the same thing at clearfield uh

1342
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,480
right near the power lines they were

1343
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:54,000
like

1344
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:55,359
i don't want to say teepees but you

1345
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,560
could tell something took sticks and

1346
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,599
they were

1347
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,119
intertwined

1348
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,040
and something was large enough to keep

1349
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,359
something out of the rain basically a

1350
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,440
couple weeks later we went back up and

1351
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,720
they were gone

1352
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,119
like they erased where they were it was

1353
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,359
it was very odd because we're like we

1354
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,720
know we're in the right spot where are

1355
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,880
these and they they were gone

1356
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:17,280
very often

1357
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,240
um

1358
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,319
james asked is it possible that some

1359
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,800
bigfoot hibernate like bears

1360
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,079
do you think that's possible in some

1361
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,069
i don't i i don't here in missouri uh

1362
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,400
they're seen in the winter

1363
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,280
spring whatever you know i i don't

1364
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,119
i don't think they have that and i i

1365
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:39,040
don't know i'm not scientifically

1366
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,480
inclined but i don't

1367
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,560
know how they would have that

1368
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,040
hibernation system in them you know like

1369
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,599
like bears do and other creatures do but

1370
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,960
you know they're seeing enough around

1371
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,839
here

1372
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,480
uh on a regular basis that i don't think

1373
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,400
they hibernate you know i think they've

1374
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,760
got a massive body that needs caloric

1375
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:58,800
intake

1376
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,520
as as do the young you know of course a

1377
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,839
bear is a large creature too but it has

1378
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,599
the mechanism

1379
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,520
to turn itself off so to speak for

1380
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,000
several months at a time i just i don't

1381
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,160
see that here nobody else really sees it

1382
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:13,599
here because they're seen

1383
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:16,400
a lot you know on a regular basis so i

1384
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,559
don't hear i'm not i don't believe it

1385
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:22,559
one way or the other as far as

1386
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,309
yeah i think we all agree on that i

1387
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,240
don't think they do hibernate i mean we

1388
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,599
everywhere i you know i've gotten

1389
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,200
reports from

1390
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:35,040
all seasons so i don't think there's

1391
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:39,359
really much to that right i don't know

1392
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,160
so i got another question um

1393
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,720
from forest do you guys know

1394
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,440
the one thing that will drive sasquatch

1395
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,160
crazy as to something to eat

1396
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,800
or come for every time

1397
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,640
i don't know

1398
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,280
what's what's what's the what seems uh

1399
00:48:03,430 --> 00:47:59,839
let me ask shane

1400
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,440
what do you believe uh they're

1401
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,359
they're you know what they like to eat

1402
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,800
the most i mean

1403
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,160
i'm quite sure it's different in

1404
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,760
different areas but how about up in your

1405
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,640
area

1406
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,319
yeah of course i can't speak for around

1407
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,000
the country i mean up here i mean if you

1408
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,520
look at if you just look at the native

1409
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,680
american aspect of this the stories i

1410
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,359
mean the natives talking about you know

1411
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,960
them hanging salmon up in the salmon

1412
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,720
here comes the saturn takes the salmon

1413
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,040
really you know and and now i do believe

1414
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,559
there's a big part of this up here in

1415
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,559
similar west obviously the rest of the

1416
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,480
country doesn't have you know some parts

1417
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,240
do but a lot of places don't have salmon

1418
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:34,079
or steelhead they have trout and stuff

1419
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,040
like that but

1420
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,960
up here all all the way up to british

1421
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,559
columbia there's reports of sasquatch

1422
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,640
stealing you know hundreds years ago

1423
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,640
native americans catches of salmon and

1424
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:44,079
steelhead i think that plays a huge role

1425
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,680
i mean look at the brown bear and the

1426
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,240
grizzly that's what they eat um i do

1427
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,720
believe again huckleberry huckleberry

1428
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,400
and once again you have different types

1429
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,880
of huckleberry all around the nation

1430
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,720
you know up here we have the most

1431
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,720
prominent one on the coasters is

1432
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,160
evergreen huckleberry and i think that

1433
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,720
plays a big role uh especially in these

1434
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:05,280
micro climate areas where it'll last you

1435
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,200
know it'll you know start off in august

1436
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,839
and last in some areas until february

1437
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,720
um so i think uh yeah and then i also

1438
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,160
think you know sasquatch is

1439
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,000
opportunistic it'll eat whatever the

1440
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,520
heck can get his hands on but uh even

1441
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,960
roadkill i think that's why we have so

1442
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,640
many roadside crossings that's my

1443
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,520
opinion

1444
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,200
i think that's big here

1445
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,599
yeah yes well the number one sighting is

1446
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,680
you know roadside crossings and there's

1447
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,280
a number of reasons for that

1448
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,960
one there's more people on the roads

1449
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,240
right you know there's less people

1450
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,599
hiking and camping there's more people

1451
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:35,599
on the roads driving and so of course

1452
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,480
you're gonna have more roadside

1453
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,480
crossings but i really do believe that

1454
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,240
sasquatch is

1455
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,559
opportunistic and will i got lots of

1456
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,480
reports of sasquatch picking up a deer

1457
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,480
on the side of the road or you know when

1458
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,160
i did a cross-country trip all the way

1459
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,720
to tennessee i i looked at the roads and

1460
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:52,400
i saw tons of roadkill you name it

1461
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,720
raccoons and and deer and armadillos and

1462
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:58,559
you name it and i thought man what a

1463
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,760
smorgasbord of easy food sources you

1464
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,280
know if it's an omnivore which i do

1465
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,680
believe it is it'll eat what you know so

1466
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:07,839
yeah it'll eat whatever heck it wants um

1467
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,040
you know some people will tell you they

1468
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,960
like starburst and blueberry muffins i

1469
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,280
don't know

1470
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,800
you know here in pence well here where

1471
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,880
i'm at i'm in south central pennsylvania

1472
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,480
i'm near gettysburg

1473
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,319
and uh if you go west to gettysburg

1474
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,280
about 15 miles you get up into misho

1475
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,359
state forest and misha is pretty well

1476
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,440
known for bigfoot activity

1477
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,280
but most of the sightings i get along

1478
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,079
route 30 that goes right through misho

1479
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,839
are people seeing

1480
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:36,240
bigfoot coming out onto the shoulders or

1481
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:38,839
onto the roads and picking up dead deer

1482
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,400
yeah they do it a lot and uh i i think

1483
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,400
most of the settings i get are from

1484
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,200
people seeing them taking roadkill

1485
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,480
they are opportunistic and um

1486
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,559
absolutely

1487
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,200
as far as regular food i mean other than

1488
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:57,200
them hunting and i think they do hunt

1489
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,160
game

1490
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,800
uh i think especially here in pa but

1491
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,720
i i seems to think they eat a lot of

1492
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,760
nuts and

1493
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,000
a lot of wild nuts hickories and and

1494
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,119
such in this area uh i don't know what

1495
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,200
do you think uh carter

1496
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,200
well he referred to something in his

1497
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,960
question about having to get a federal

1498
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,640
permit so i wonder if he was getting

1499
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,240
into some kind of pheromone chips or

1500
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,240
some kind of

1501
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,599
something that is federally controlled

1502
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,640
because he mentioned that you have to

1503
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,640
have a federal permit unless that was in

1504
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,480
the form of a question you have to have

1505
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,839
a federal license to get your hands on

1506
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,839
this nasty stuff well you know i think a

1507
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,359
pheromone chip would be pretty nasty you

1508
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,760
know but uh i've got a lot i have

1509
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,920
smelled those things they are pretty bad

1510
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:39,520
well that might be he was referring to

1511
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,319
you know

1512
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,160
human food pies

1513
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,880
oranges you know we know they like jerky

1514
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,359
you know so

1515
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,359
they're out there i mean they love human

1516
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,800
food that's that's one of the problems

1517
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,640
with habituation is when you start

1518
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,599
feeding them and then you pull back

1519
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,280
they get irritated because they want

1520
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,920
that food they want that apple pie they

1521
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,920
want them chicken leftovers the fried

1522
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,520
gizzards they want the stuff that they

1523
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,640
can't get

1524
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,880
you know and so when you do

1525
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,800
habituate them to a regular feeding

1526
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,480
pattern and you decide you don't want to

1527
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,040
do it anymore they get a little tested

1528
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,559
you know yeah i think they're just like

1529
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,319
you know like a bear would be i mean if

1530
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,400
you're gifting that's why i'm asking

1531
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,440
about gifting being possible dangerous

1532
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:26,559
you know if you start gifting them food

1533
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,359
that they expect uh who's to say they're

1534
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:31,200
not caught gonna cause issues i don't

1535
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,309
i've heard people gifting and like

1536
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,040
it becomes a problem yeah

1537
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,280
um like then they don't go away like a

1538
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,520
dog i don't like they expect it and then

1539
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,680
makes them lazy i guess i don't know

1540
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,760
but i've noticed that when we had any

1541
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,720
sightings like a bigfoot or a sighting

1542
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,119
the bigfoot wasn't far from any water

1543
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,440
or like a reservoir or a lake of some

1544
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,480
sort

1545
00:53:06,150 --> 00:52:59,680
so

1546
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,160
don't feed them

1547
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,760
let them go off to the lake and eat you

1548
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,599
know

1549
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,599
yeah i i don't think i'd be feeding how

1550
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,440
about you shane i mean

1551
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,800
you get people feeding them up there

1552
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,960
once again i've heard stories about it

1553
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,200
you get you do have i came across what i

1554
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,319
assumed was somebody gifting uh i was up

1555
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,079
in an area and i came across a bunch of

1556
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,680
squash and pumpkins this huge pile of

1557
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,720
stuff

1558
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,160
and the guy was outside this van or a

1559
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,520
guy i never saw the person there was a

1560
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,119
van parked and he had a bigfoot sticker

1561
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,960
so i assumed this guy was doing that you

1562
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:36,319
don't hear about that a whole lot up

1563
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,200
here

1564
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,680
um i'm sure people do it um i just i

1565
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,599
don't like to gift anything because then

1566
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,920
it becomes uh you know happen they come

1567
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,319
back and come back and come back um and

1568
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,720
then when you stop that you know uh you

1569
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,559
know what happens after that and and

1570
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,240
then once again i've never i've never

1571
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,680
seen any evidence that show shows that

1572
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,680
they're actually taking it i mean

1573
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,520
i remember uh there's a couple of cool

1574
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,400
things i i saw a david ellis had a

1575
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,599
watermelon that looked like something

1576
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,280
i'd bitten through the watermelon and he

1577
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,119
actually casted the watermelon chunk and

1578
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,880
it actually looks like teeth

1579
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,319
i've seen peanut butter jars where

1580
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,359
people have got fingers you know nutella

1581
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,520
um but then you know a lot of animals

1582
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,839
you're leaving that stuff out there so

1583
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,480
uh maybe sasquatch is is partaking but

1584
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,319
then what else is partaking what trash

1585
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,839
you're leaving out there and and all

1586
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,680
that so i i don't do it i think there's

1587
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,880
plenty other ways to go about it

1588
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,440
personally but um once again maybe uh

1589
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:30,880
there's something to it but just be

1590
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,920
careful what you do

1591
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,359
yeah i am

1592
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,920
i know a farmer and this has been years

1593
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,920
ago and i was actually younger

1594
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,480
who used to grow pumpkins

1595
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,720
and uh

1596
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,559
i had heard people saying that they were

1597
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,880
bigfoot in the area and you know

1598
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,720
this is a while back but

1599
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,280
this guy lost half his crop one year and

1600
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,799
he was wondering he was going in there

1601
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,119
eating the pumpkins

1602
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,960
you know it wasn't people bust i don't

1603
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,400
think people are going in there busting

1604
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,520
them up

1605
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,160
because something was eating on so uh i

1606
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,680
don't know

1607
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,280
yeah i was going to say real quick uh

1608
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,040
you know there's that the there was an

1609
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,960
article about chimpanzees i think it was

1610
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,920
in like

1611
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,720
somewhere in in africa maybe congo or

1612
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,760
something

1613
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:18,400
where the chimpanzees these troops

1614
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,839
you know they used to raid crops during

1615
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,359
the day but there was so much gorilla

1616
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,760
you know human warfare going on they did

1617
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,599
they learned to go in at night sneak

1618
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,680
into these crop areas in africa and

1619
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,760
steal the crops at night when people

1620
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,680
weren't fighting and they were very

1621
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,599
meticulous about that to even the point

1622
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,520
where they would cross a road

1623
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,960
they would have somebody you know one of

1624
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,799
their troops uh one of their members

1625
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,680
watch

1626
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,440
the road as the others crossed i mean

1627
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,880
very very smart but then they would go

1628
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,079
in and raid the crops tonight and take

1629
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,319
them back and so uh

1630
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,280
uh i wouldn't call that uh habituation i

1631
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,799
wouldn't call that anything about being

1632
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,520
smart and and and adapting to your

1633
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,040
environments and i think sasquatch is

1634
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,359
very capable of doing that as well uh

1635
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,720
you know i don't think anybody's out

1636
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,400
there leaving anything on purpose for

1637
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:01,760
the chimpanzees but they know where to

1638
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,470
interesting

1639
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,079
um

1640
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,920
you know i

1641
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,480
i i've heard so many of

1642
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,880
stories about this gifting you know jc

1643
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,640
johnson used to talk about it with me

1644
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,280
all the time and he'd be involved

1645
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,960
he'd see people he didn't like people

1646
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,200
gifting but supervisors colleagues used

1647
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,400
to do it

1648
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,640
but uh

1649
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,880
we did have one situation where they

1650
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,160
they were

1651
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,280
in the process of doing some gifting

1652
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,319
and now this was down in in uh around on

1653
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,240
the uh

1654
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:41,920
the reservation

1655
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,319
the danae navajo over there by

1656
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,240
farmington i think it was right off the

1657
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,720
san juan river actually

1658
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,599
but one time they received

1659
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,000
and we checked it we had looked at it

1660
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:57,119
was an anastasia

1661
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,430
bizarre i mean like where'd this thing

1662
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,119
find that thing and i guess it dug it up

1663
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,319
somehow

1664
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,599
but uh

1665
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:09,119
that was a damnedest thing i've ever

1666
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,000
seen

1667
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,440
don't think i ever saw anything like

1668
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,680
that

1669
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,839
my canadian witness has been gifted a

1670
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:18,880
marble

1671
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,880
yeah and uh blue dragonflies left in his

1672
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:23,839
house

1673
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,240
really complete

1674
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,359
perfectly

1675
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,359
they're dead but they're ever their wing

1676
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:31,520
and everything is still intact they're

1677
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:34,240
just they just have just died

1678
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,119
and so

1679
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,440
there is all kinds of gifting you know

1680
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,599
one of my habituates and witnesses they

1681
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,160
used to take a paper plate

1682
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,000
and they've been doing this before

1683
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,319
they contacted me take a paper plate and

1684
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,319
put it out by their barn

1685
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,000
and they used a couple of rocks to

1686
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,319
weight it down and they would leave food

1687
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,599
left over dinner well

1688
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:58,079
the food was disappearing and you know

1689
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,359
as you mentioned you don't know who's

1690
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,040
taking it or what's taking it could be a

1691
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:03,280
possum or a [\h__\h] or whatever

1692
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,079
but

1693
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,680
one night they came out

1694
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:07,680
and the food was gone

1695
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:08,640
and

1696
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,880
the rocks there was two rocks they had

1697
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,119
there there was the third rock added and

1698
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,040
they were stacked on top of each other

1699
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,280
right in the middle of the plate

1700
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,359
so what do you do with that

1701
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,040
it's not a raccoon it's not a possum

1702
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,200
it's not a bear you know

1703
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:25,839
nobody does that so

1704
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:28,640
there are signs that you know

1705
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,599
the gifting can work you know and they

1706
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,520
slowed the they slowed the feeding down

1707
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:35,680
to a point where they kind of quit all

1708
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,319
together because

1709
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,160
the

1710
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,760
frustration of

1711
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,680
a couple of these sasquatch was starting

1712
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,799
to show through so they just stopped

1713
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,040
and it went away and there was nothing

1714
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,440
but my point is that the gifting can

1715
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,799
work and it doesn't always have to be

1716
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:54,319
food it could just be material things

1717
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,200
you know but i mean uh i've got all

1718
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,760
kinds of stories about that reports you

1719
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,760
know from people that

1720
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,880
go through this

1721
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,880
routinely

1722
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,440
you know it's fascinating you know

1723
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,520
yeah the only habituation i ever been

1724
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,040
involved with and i actually really

1725
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,480
wasn't evolving but i got a lot of

1726
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,119
evidence from it was up in nova scotia

1727
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,760
and this farmer was actually had them a

1728
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,160
family group on his property

1729
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,680
and uh it was interesting but

1730
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:25,599
there were some things involved as well

1731
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:26,480
um

1732
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,680
possible ufo activity possible orbs and

1733
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,799
such

1734
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,400
um

1735
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,920
there's a lot of things that were

1736
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,599
unexplained

1737
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,839
associated with these beings so i mean i

1738
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:38,880
don't know

1739
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,180
uh

1740
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,799
[Music]

1741
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,040
here again we come back to this possible

1742
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:45,599
supernatural aspect of these things

1743
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,640
um let me ask you this uh shane

1744
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,799
do you think do you think bigfoot have a

1745
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,760
language

1746
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,160
uh in other words do they have is is it

1747
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,480
a universal bigfoot language or is it

1748
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,119
something per group have you

1749
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,839
and i i think you guys have actually

1750
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,079
recorded something like that at some

1751
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,599
point haven't you

1752
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,760
yeah you know i don't know but

1753
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,280
i don't know if it's a language and

1754
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:11,359
honestly this is one of the

1755
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,400
areas that i you know uh i can't say a

1756
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,440
whole lot i don't know if they have a

1757
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,520
language uh we've recorded so many

1758
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,760
intriguing stuff over the years

1759
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,119
um

1760
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,520
but you know a lot of it uh i mean quite

1761
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:25,359
honestly i mean uh

1762
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,319
they definitely have a form of

1763
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:27,680
communication there's no doubt about

1764
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,520
that um and within the language um

1765
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,760
yeah i'm not sure um i know a lot of

1766
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,359
people say they do

1767
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,280
um but you know i mean a lot of stuff we

1768
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:39,200
record i mean it's not like you know if

1769
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,400
something's carrying on a full

1770
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,240
conversation a lot of stuff is very like

1771
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:44,079
i said that we've recorded up here in

1772
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,119
similar to west is a very uh

1773
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,520
sometimes you can almost sound almost uh

1774
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,440
human-like and then a lot of times it's

1775
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,520
it's very very very primate-like you

1776
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:55,119
know we got a couple recordings that we

1777
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,720
call chimp bits or

1778
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,799
um where it sounds like a troop of

1779
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:01,119
chimpanzees going crazy uh not barred

1780
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,720
owls or anything like that this is and

1781
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:05,119
visually looking at the stuff

1782
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,480
it doesn't compare with anything up here

1783
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,640
but um they definitely have some sort of

1784
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,880
communic you know communication i don't

1785
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:12,720
know if that's a an exact language or

1786
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,319
not but uh yeah i mean i it's not uh

1787
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,440
something

1788
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,599
that i really subscribe to but it's

1789
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,280
definitely definitely a possibility if

1790
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,359
you look at the ron moorhead recordings

1791
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,599
i mean uh and stuff like that that are

1792
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,079
really really interesting and and uh

1793
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,599
yeah and some of the other recordings

1794
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,520
out there and we've got some similar

1795
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,680
maybe they do have a form of language i

1796
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,960
don't know

1797
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:37,119
have you guys recorded anything up here

1798
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,400
in pennsylvania

1799
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,839
ryan

1800
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,160
no i mean we've heard things like the

1801
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,839
biggest thing we've ever heard was like

1802
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:46,000
children it's not like children like

1803
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,040
yeah

1804
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,119
i hear that a lot around here

1805
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,720
yeah and it seems like they're always

1806
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,240
interested what we used to do those call

1807
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,280
backs those uh we'd play you know coyote

1808
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,599
sounds and we'd play baby's balance and

1809
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,440
that always seemed to

1810
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,520
make a little bit of activity happen so

1811
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,359
they must be curious of babies in some

1812
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,960
form or kids

1813
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:07,119
but uh maybe that's that's the biggest

1814
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,480
thing we've ever heard was just like

1815
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,240
children chattering that's the best way

1816
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,760
to describe it i guess

1817
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,359
how about you carter

1818
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:15,440
yeah i've heard some uh

1819
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:18,799
snickering i've heard some gibberish

1820
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:21,680
some laughing um one night i was sitting

1821
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,599
i went to my one of my research areas

1822
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,039
here in missouri and i just went by

1823
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,079
myself i took all my gear and i said you

1824
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:30,400
know what screw it i'm not gonna use my

1825
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:31,520
gear i'm gonna

1826
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:33,280
sit right here i'm gonna have a couple

1827
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,599
of shots of fireball and a cocktail i'm

1828
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:37,440
gonna sit here by the fire and see if i

1829
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,480
get activity and i was talking

1830
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,640
to the sasquatch as though they were

1831
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:43,520
there

1832
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,319
and

1833
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,760
uh

1834
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,760
i heard at the end of my conversation

1835
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,680
said here's all my gear

1836
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,680
i'm not trying to record you i'm not

1837
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:54,079
trying to film you i i've decided i'm

1838
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:55,599
not going to do that i want to violate

1839
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,119
your situation so i'm just going to sit

1840
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,200
here have a cocktail enjoy the quiet and

1841
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,280
the peaceful night and if you're here

1842
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,359
let me know and so and i heard this

1843
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,799
little

1844
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:06,880
it sounded like almost like hyena-like

1845
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,480
it was it was kind of a a cackling laugh

1846
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:11,680
didn't last long about two or three

1847
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:16,069
it was an odd sound but i'm considered

1848
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,359
going

1849
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,039
holy crap of course i'm trying to think

1850
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,960
you know i'm a researcher and i believe

1851
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,480
certain things but i'm also trying to

1852
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,400
find out what that could be i want to

1853
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,440
disprove my theory if i can if i can't

1854
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,680
then i'm on something in my mind and i

1855
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:32,079
couldn't figure out you know

1856
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,160
a coyote a rabbit a fox and heat of

1857
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,400
vixen fox sometimes will sound somewhat

1858
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,880
like that uh if you hear that coming at

1859
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:42,240
you out of the middle of the night and

1860
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,319
it's pitch black that'll get you

1861
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,799
your vr have been walked up on a fox

1862
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,960
with vixen fox and heat oh my god you

1863
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,799
know that'll get you know that way but

1864
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,079
i've heard

1865
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,240
something and some of it was akin to ron

1866
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:55,839
moorhead stuff

1867
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:57,760
and ron and scott nelson have been to my

1868
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:00,480
research area here in missouri a family

1869
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:02,000
that has a habituation they came and

1870
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,000
visited we talked about that i mean you

1871
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,680
know scott nelson is a

1872
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:07,520
linguist you know

1873
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,720
from the the army i mean how do you

1874
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,720
how do you shoot holes in that you know

1875
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,520
i mean but he hasn't really

1876
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,119
told us what kind of language he hasn't

1877
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,760
explained it out but it's there are

1878
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:22,160
breathing patterns and punctuations and

1879
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:23,440
pauses

1880
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,799
that indicate a spoken language

1881
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,640
uh and that's his

1882
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,720
theory and you know and i'm not smart

1883
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,720
enough to argue that you know but i've

1884
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,559
heard enough things to go

1885
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,760
okay in my habituation lady in southeast

1886
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:40,000
missouri she's had a creature call her

1887
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,720
by

1888
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,200
her husband's favorite nickname for her

1889
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,440
while she's out working in the garden

1890
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,799
so

1891
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,480
yeah i think they mimic i mean i think

1892
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:50,000
they try to mimic a lot of times they

1893
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,520
can mimic anything and that's why you

1894
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,119
know when you hear them just say you're

1895
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,680
like you know patty pie

1896
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,319
uh well that's just mimicking i mean a

1897
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,119
bird can do that you know

1898
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,640
any kind of bird a lot of birds can do

1899
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,119
that crows can do that you know so but

1900
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,039
but if you hear that well that's

1901
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,920
not necessarily language that's mimicry

1902
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:12,160
but when you hear a run-on sentence with

1903
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,200
pauses and stops and inflection

1904
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:17,039
and

1905
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,160
you go

1906
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:20,319
that doesn't sound like a dog market or

1907
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:21,920
a

1908
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:30,160
we don't know right now but it sure

1909
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,359
sounds

1910
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,280
a lot more like a language than it does

1911
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,440
like just a primal screen

1912
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,960
you know it's an interesting question

1913
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,720
and something i've always thought about

1914
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,520
because when i had my encounter in 81

1915
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:43,599
i'm standing looking at this thing it's

1916
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,119
about 40 foot in front of me huge male

1917
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,680
and it's clicking at me

1918
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,440
now i don't know if it was gnashing its

1919
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,680
teeth or it was like a nervous thing or

1920
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,960
whatever it was

1921
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:57,280
and that's the that's the drawing i had

1922
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,319
made of it

1923
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:00,799
but this thing uh it made a clicking

1924
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,430
i've only ever heard a few other people

1925
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,760
tell me that they've heard that sound

1926
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,000
but i don't know if it was communication

1927
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,400
or some type of nervous thing they did

1928
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,760
when they saw something they weren't

1929
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,440
familiar with

1930
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,720
i don't know but i it distinctly clicked

1931
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,319
at me

1932
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,079
yeah there are african tribes that use

1933
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:24,079
uh uh clicking

1934
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,880
uh

1935
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,559
in their in their language you know

1936
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:28,400
they'll be talking whatever in their

1937
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,440
language and

1938
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:30,960
you can hear that it's words but they'll

1939
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,760
they'll stop and and use clicking sounds

1940
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,680
you know uh

1941
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,960
i don't remember the name of the tribe

1942
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,359
but that is a speech pattern you know

1943
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:40,799
right yep

1944
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:43,200
what do you think shane

1945
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,839
yeah i mean

1946
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,599
um the clicking thing's interesting you

1947
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,440
know i mean and here's the thing too is

1948
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,760
you actually saw this figure and it was

1949
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:53,280
making the noise if you heard that in

1950
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,280
the woods you'd go well what the heck is

1951
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:56,960
that but you absolutely you go you don't

1952
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,280
put compare the two how many people have

1953
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,520
heard stuff like that and not uh

1954
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,520
known what was making that noise

1955
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:06,480
um clicking whistles uh loops i mean all

1956
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,200
that stuff uh i i think the majority of

1957
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,960
us here have either heard it or recorded

1958
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,559
it um

1959
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,400
definitely a form of some sort of

1960
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,359
communication of some sorts and but then

1961
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,960
dave what is that i you know who knows

1962
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,160
uh the

1963
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,160
the interesting thing about the mimicry

1964
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,839
and um

1965
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,280
it's very interesting

1966
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:27,039
but so you got to come from either one

1967
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,000
way or the other when it comes to

1968
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:30,400
mimicry is it can sasquatch mimic

1969
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,280
something

1970
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,720
at the stop of a diamond here's it for

1971
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:34,880
the first time can it mimic it or

1972
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,359
is it in an area long enough to like a

1973
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,280
you know like like a parrot for example

1974
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:41,280
parrot will pick it up over time after

1975
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,559
you keep repeating something you know

1976
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,920
and repeating repeating repeating it'll

1977
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,119
pick it up

1978
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,839
the sasquatch this comes to my thought

1979
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,960
process like with some of these

1980
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,200
long-term witnesses uh like donna up

1981
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:53,039
here in in washington

1982
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:54,160
where

1983
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:55,680
uh this sasquatch seemed to be around

1984
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,119
that house quite frequently uh a large

1985
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,039
probably a large male not all the time

1986
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,119
but quite frequently that

1987
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,799
she could hear her dogs being called she

1988
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,119
had two dogs that would go outside and

1989
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:08,880
she would hey you know i can't remember

1990
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,319
the dog's name off the top of my head

1991
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:12,160
but she would call them or her husband

1992
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,280
would call them

1993
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:15,039
you know come back inside at night you

1994
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:16,239
know come back in well one night she

1995
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,120
heard

1996
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,480
would sound like her husband calling the

1997
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,400
dogs lay oh layla that was the name of

1998
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,000
the dogs layla

1999
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,520
she heard that

2000
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,080
it was her husband wasn't home

2001
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,000
but somebody was calling the dog

2002
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,960
but did that sasquatch if it was did it

2003
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:32,480
learn that over time or did it learn it

2004
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,920
had to stop it but i mean just heard it

2005
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,679
one day and decided to do that i think

2006
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,880
when something's in an area long enough

2007
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:38,480
i think sasquatch are very capable of

2008
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,520
mimicry

2009
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:41,920
uh but they i personally think they need

2010
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:44,239
to be in an area long enough to to hear

2011
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,679
that over and over again and mimic it

2012
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,440
and they mimic and maybe and then they

2013
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,960
almost perfect it

2014
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:50,319
and uh

2015
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:51,759
i i think that speaks to their

2016
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,799
intelligence and and just their uh

2017
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:56,319
it's actually kind of freaky

2018
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:57,279
yeah

2019
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,440
that clicking sound coming out of the

2020
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,759
woods i wouldn't think it was a bird or

2021
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:05,199
a squirrel or something making i

2022
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,239
wouldn't even think it was anything

2023
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,279
about a bigfoot but it was weird yeah uh

2024
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:11,199
so you know i just got a question here

2025
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:13,759
from forrest and it kind of goes along

2026
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,319
the lines of a story that i have a

2027
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,000
personal story and something i heard

2028
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,400
from a team member just the other day he

2029
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,640
said the leftover mash from any major

2030
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:24,640
beer producing company factory is a

2031
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,440
product that the sas would go crazy for

2032
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,880
well

2033
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:31,440
this team member was telling me that she

2034
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:32,640
had heard

2035
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:35,520
something related to corn mash but

2036
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,640
stills

2037
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,120
and it's funny when she said that to me

2038
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,000
because my uncle and

2039
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,600
he's no longer with us so i won't get

2040
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,839
him in trouble but he he they used to

2041
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,759
live up near roan mountain in ten you

2042
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:48,880
know

2043
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,000
north carolina and he had a still

2044
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,679
and i remember when we went down and one

2045
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,600
time when i was younger he was

2046
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,400
mentioning to my grandfather about

2047
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,000
the wild man

2048
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,320
busting his is still up when he was

2049
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:03,840
cooking

2050
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:05,040
and they were

2051
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,910
the corn mash so i i just thought that

2052
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,760
was funny when she mentioned it then i

2053
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,880
see this

2054
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,960
hear about beer and green and i'm

2055
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:18,480
thinking

2056
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,960
that's unusual i i guess they would like

2057
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,040
it but i don't know

2058
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,800
have you heard anything like that any of

2059
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,120
you like that before

2060
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,159
no but i can i can imagine that you know

2061
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,800
certain fruits certain trees at a

2062
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,560
certain time of year

2063
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,159
when they you know

2064
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,480
reach a certain stage of decomposition

2065
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,400
they could have medicinal or

2066
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:43,040
intoxicating properties maybe

2067
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:46,960
uh that my witness in canada uh this guy

2068
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,120
uh you know at a certain time of year i

2069
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:51,440
think he was the aspen tree

2070
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,719
uh

2071
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,719
the indigenous people up there and

2072
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,800
others know of when they get to a

2073
01:11:02,550 --> 01:10:59,199
certain stage of decomposition you can

2074
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,560
take big chunks of the rotting bark and

2075
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,239
there's the tree itself and put in your

2076
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,000
mouth and chew it up and it's got

2077
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,000
medicinal purposes

2078
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,960
to keep you healthy and it has

2079
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,280
intoxicating purposes if you drink it if

2080
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,960
you chew on it a little earlier or a

2081
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:17,120
little later than you're supposed to

2082
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,040
so

2083
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,280
i can imagine that's happening naturally

2084
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:22,960
because that's not something we'll ever

2085
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,080
be a party yeah

2086
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,000
[Laughter]

2087
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,920
you know there's another there's another

2088
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,080
aspect about the bigfoot phenomena that

2089
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,719
that has been has interested me is is

2090
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:37,440
how did they dispose of bodies burial

2091
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,000
and such and and i think charter and i

2092
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,679
talked about a bit about this earlier i

2093
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,760
know he he looks into that with his

2094
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:44,800
research

2095
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:47,440
but we're we're investigating some

2096
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,800
sightings and some old research

2097
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:52,960
out at the uh the shawnee national

2098
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,199
forest in southern illinois

2099
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:57,120
and the gentleman who has talked to

2100
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:58,960
myself and vincent

2101
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:01,760
mentioned that he observed

2102
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,480
bigfoot burying their dead by pulling

2103
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,960
trees

2104
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,280
pulling them down and and clearing out

2105
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,199
and putting bodies underneath trees and

2106
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,800
putting it back down

2107
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,480
and covering it up

2108
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:16,159
have you ever heard of anything like

2109
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:16,960
that

2110
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,920
i have yeah several times and you know

2111
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,679
autumn williams has in one of her books

2112
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:22,719
i think

2113
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,840
uh the guy she had in florida and uh

2114
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:28,080
there's a place here in missouri the

2115
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,000
enoch book yeah enoch yeah enough yeah

2116
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,280
yeah and uh there's a story here uh the

2117
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,640
uh dora there's a town called dora

2118
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,560
and the woman

2119
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:42,400
was named after the town her name was

2120
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,440
dora

2121
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:45,040
i can't remember her name her last name

2122
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,239
but anyway

2123
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,640
she was routinely

2124
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,280
taken out of her bedroom at night

2125
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:53,600
taken across the street to some caves

2126
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,280
and played with sasquatch children

2127
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:00,080
one night the mother was in there and

2128
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:01,440
she was

2129
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:05,920
sobbing or very sad and they buried

2130
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,640
she clawed the dirt and buried her

2131
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,040
newborn that had died and she was

2132
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,199
holding it trying to nurse it

2133
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,360
and she put it in the ground and buried

2134
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,280
it and patted it back down i've been

2135
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,360
trying to find where this game is for so

2136
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,000
long it's never going to happen yeah but

2137
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:23,679
dora bradley that's it if you look up

2138
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,800
dora bradley uh the story uh and uh what

2139
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,679
uh

2140
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,920
tom powell has a really great

2141
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,640
uh version of that story he told us

2142
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,920
actually he's the one who told the story

2143
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:35,679
where i read it and there's a great

2144
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:36,800
story

2145
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:39,520
and but she had regular routine

2146
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,880
interactions with these creatures she

2147
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,239
watched the mother

2148
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:44,239
bury her stillborn baby in this cave

2149
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,199
where they used to play

2150
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:48,960
i mean it's awesome stuff you know and

2151
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,960
she watched it and she's been

2152
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,480
interviewed before you know because a

2153
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,480
lot of people don't buy that but

2154
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:56,239
there's too many stories of that you

2155
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,840
know yanking the tree out of the ground

2156
01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:00,000
and putting a baby in there and then put

2157
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,600
the tree back down and patting it down

2158
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,760
like it never happened you know and i've

2159
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,600
heard a lot of stories about that being

2160
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,760
able to pull up trees and brush to get

2161
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,600
to the roots and the succulents

2162
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:11,040
underneath and then putting it back down

2163
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,560
without damaging the roots whatsoever

2164
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,280
because they know how to do it so yeah

2165
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,800
burial you know i think they they

2166
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:18,960
probably do bury their dead yeah i think

2167
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,159
they probably do i've heard stories but

2168
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,239
the only stories i've ever heard about a

2169
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,960
young you know a dead infant or a dead

2170
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,360
juvenile being buried somebody told me

2171
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,239
about

2172
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,320
them actually

2173
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,440
mourning a a juvenile that was put into

2174
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,840
a house dumped and covered up with moss

2175
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,520
and such and

2176
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,199
i mean i don't know you know i've heard

2177
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,880
of a lot of different things uh have you

2178
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,199
heard anything like this ryan

2179
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,719
i've heard of it i

2180
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,880
don't know much about it like everyone

2181
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:51,440
asks why we never find bigfoot audience

2182
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,239
well

2183
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,960
do they know how big the alleghenies are

2184
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,360
yeah well they are i mean yeah

2185
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,800
i mean uh

2186
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,880
i mean a couple within a few weeks the

2187
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,040
body's decomposed pretty well or it's

2188
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,360
drug apart by whatever other animals in

2189
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,679
the area so yeah it doesn't last long

2190
01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:09,440
around here especially seven to ten days

2191
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,040
the body's gone you ever watched that

2192
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,440
show uh the body farm yeah they put out

2193
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,520
different you know human you know

2194
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,679
cadiver cadavers that have been donated

2195
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,719
and you know

2196
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,800
large animals cattle horse whatever and

2197
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,719
they just sit there let it rot

2198
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,239
and watch it in

2199
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:26,480
five to seven days seven to ten it's

2200
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,400
gone the bot flies get in lay eggs and

2201
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,719
you know the the the you know raccoons

2202
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,320
the possums like the chill on the marrow

2203
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:34,320
the bones and i mean once it's

2204
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,560
you know disintegrated it's it goes to

2205
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,320
the four corners it's gone nature is

2206
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,760
very efficient

2207
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,080
oh yeah and if you're you know lions

2208
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,560
tigers elephants they go somewhere if

2209
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,840
they're ill

2210
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,840
and either they die or get better but

2211
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:49,600
they hide themselves because they can't

2212
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,239
walk or move around and hunt so they

2213
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,320
will sometimes they die when they're

2214
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,960
hidden and they're already buried

2215
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:58,719
you know so you're never going to fight

2216
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:59,360
them

2217
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,920
shane what do you think about burials

2218
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,679
could happen you know the problem with i

2219
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:05,040
used to be a licensed arborist and i

2220
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,320
used to work for a tree transplant

2221
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:08,239
company and up here in stem northwest

2222
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,640
there's so much timbering going on

2223
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,560
if it with uh

2224
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,239
if sasquatch was put you know you got a

2225
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:16,320
eight-foot male that dies and you bury

2226
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:17,280
him underneath the tree and you pull

2227
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,400
that tree and put it down a tree is

2228
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,920
gonna probably fall over with the wind

2229
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,199
the snowfall

2230
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,440
uh you know i just it's hard for me to

2231
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,679
see that having transplanted many many

2232
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,120
trees and seeing the amount of timbering

2233
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:29,120
that goes on up in these areas

2234
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,679
you know and we can get into

2235
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,520
conspiracies and all that but i think

2236
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,520
there'd be more bodies turning up do

2237
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:37,600
they bury their their uh dead quite

2238
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,159
possibly who knows um you know if

2239
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,159
sasquatch is small in number which i

2240
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,000
believe i don't think there's i think

2241
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,679
they do quite well in small numbers like

2242
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,120
a lot i mean there's no guerrilla

2243
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,120
populations that do well uh cross river

2244
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,880
gorilla for example do well in small

2245
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,400
numbers

2246
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,480
um you could uh it'd be like winning the

2247
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,080
lottery buying a moving needle and a

2248
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,800
haystack to find a body that will and uh

2249
01:17:02,470 --> 01:17:00,880
there's not many people out there

2250
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,480
looking for bones let alone that can

2251
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:03,920
recognize the bone unless you got a

2252
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,600
skull right in front of you of course

2253
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,080
right uh so i i think uh you know like

2254
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,719
most animals uh cats dogs you know

2255
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:12,000
sometimes when they go to die they don't

2256
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,280
want to be eaten alive and they want to

2257
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:15,360
go to the deepest darkest place

2258
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,560
and they just disappear i think

2259
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,239
sasquatch does a lot of that i think

2260
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,600
they just go to the deepest darkest

2261
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:21,280
place but do they bury their dead do

2262
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,560
they eat their dead

2263
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,480
i don't know once again uh it's an

2264
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:27,120
interesting conversation but i think

2265
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,560
the tree thing up here i think it'd be

2266
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:30,480
more there would be more bodies found

2267
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:31,679
but these trees wouldn't be able to

2268
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:32,560
stand

2269
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,400
um you would need a big tree and then

2270
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:36,400
you'd have to secure that tree again

2271
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:39,600
and it would probably fall over time

2272
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,950
well i'm going to go around with each of

2273
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,600
you and uh give me a comment uh any

2274
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,960
other comments you have about the

2275
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:50,960
bigfoot phenomena things important to

2276
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,800
point out um i'll start off with carter

2277
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,640
well

2278
01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:58,960
they're thinking

2279
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:01,600
sentient sapient

2280
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,239
beings i don't even call them a creature

2281
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:06,800
you know i i think they're a lot smarter

2282
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:08,239
than we give them credit for they're

2283
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:09,920
probably could be a lot smarter than we

2284
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,600
are you know and we have uh progressed

2285
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,400
ourselves out of the ability to live off

2286
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:17,920
the land like they do you know we have

2287
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:19,920
cars computers jets blah blah blah you

2288
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:22,400
know phones we don't have we got a store

2289
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,600
we can go to the store and buy food

2290
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,760
we've lost touch with how to really

2291
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,560
survive in the world so i think they're

2292
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:30,800
you know vastly more intelligent than us

2293
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,239
on that level you know and uh you know

2294
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:36,080
they're interacting with people and

2295
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,760
they're just now coming out a lot of

2296
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,679
these people are coming out and talking

2297
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,199
about

2298
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,760
the esoteric things that nobody likes to

2299
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,600
talk about or doesn't hear a lot about

2300
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,040
it doesn't get a lot of press because

2301
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,679
okay that's crazy you know uh but you

2302
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,480
know

2303
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,320
there's something going on and here's

2304
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:54,400
here's one thing i want to bring up

2305
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,199
if there was nothing special because

2306
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,080
they're discovering new species of

2307
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,480
animals plants fish every week you hear

2308
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,239
about something new there's a new tree

2309
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,000
there's a new bush there's a new you

2310
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:08,560
know you know pygmy ape there's new

2311
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,709
what is so special about these beings

2312
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,159
and i do believe the government knows

2313
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,840
full well exactly what's going on what

2314
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,000
is so special about them that they don't

2315
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:22,400
want to talk about it they want to deny

2316
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:23,280
it

2317
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,280
dumb ape they talk about that stuff all

2318
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,880
the time they discover new chips and

2319
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:31,040
lizards all over the place and it's not

2320
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:32,400
hidden or

2321
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,199
it's

2322
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:35,040
out in front of everybody so why all the

2323
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,679
secrecy about this particular

2324
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:39,520
being i don't get it there's something

2325
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,080
up you know that's my two cents

2326
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:44,159
how about you uh ryan you got anything

2327
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,920
to say further

2328
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,760
uh i truly believe there's there's

2329
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,360
something out there just from all the

2330
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,679
evidence from filming uh interviewing

2331
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:53,280
people that are so

2332
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,560
true and

2333
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,320
believe what they saw

2334
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,840
you can tell a person who's making up a

2335
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:00,480
story who really saw something so i

2336
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:01,760
truly believe there's something out

2337
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,679
there and we've gotten great at uh

2338
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,760
evidence even through just

2339
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,520
my own experiences but

2340
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,560
i'm a hopeful believer so i'm until i

2341
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,440
see one or experience it firsthand i'm

2342
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,520
hopeful that these creatures are out

2343
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,880
there and

2344
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,120
and uh

2345
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:21,840
until i see one or there's a real one

2346
01:20:26,629 --> 01:20:24,239
dead one i mean uh

2347
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,639
i i just have to wait till that happens

2348
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:27,679
yeah

2349
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,600
how about you shane

2350
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,120
you know i'm just excited about the

2351
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,520
future uh you know i'm seeing uh not

2352
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:35,040
just within the olympic projects i work

2353
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,480
with but other groups and individuals

2354
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,320
working on some amazing things that are

2355
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:40,400
i think down the road here

2356
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,639
um i'm such an optimist on this because

2357
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,920
uh you know a lot of people say oh we've

2358
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,600
been at this for 50 years or 60s and

2359
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,760
that to me that's mini school amount of

2360
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,840
time for this subject matter

2361
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:52,560
uh for something that uh people claim to

2362
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:53,679
understand

2363
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,480
uh i you know sasquatch they're they're

2364
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,600
legit they're out there they're real

2365
01:21:01,750 --> 01:20:59,840
what are they i can't tell you i can't i

2366
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,760
got my ideas my own hypothesis and i

2367
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,280
could be wrong and i'm cool with that

2368
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,560
but they are they're our real thing

2369
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:06,239
they're really empty they're out there

2370
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,199
um

2371
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,360
and so i'm i'm really enthused because

2372
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:11,040
uh you know working with groups like

2373
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,199
with amy boo she's you know been a part

2374
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:14,719
of this before

2375
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,800
and uh you know project zoo book talking

2376
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,679
to

2377
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,239
young academics and other individuals

2378
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,760
that are actually you know i i see

2379
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,920
they're in the sasquatch closet they're

2380
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,280
not ready to come out of that clause and

2381
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,880
say oh yeah we're into we're interested

2382
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,719
in the subject matter but they're

2383
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,000
they're asking questions they're

2384
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,400
providing feedback to me that's profound

2385
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,400
and that's something that john binnenago

2386
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:36,159
the late great john binonga wanted he

2387
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,520
wanted to make the subject matter less

2388
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,199
taboo and i think all of us can agree

2389
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,360
with that we would love this job matter

2390
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,880
no matter what where you come from to be

2391
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:44,320
less taboo

2392
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,679
and that's something john benedict

2393
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,880
always wanted and that's kind of my

2394
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,280
mantra and i'm seeing a movement within

2395
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:51,679
academic academia in general that is

2396
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,560
very

2397
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,320
enthralling appealing

2398
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,320
and uh i mean i there's only certain

2399
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,159
things i can do i have my limitations

2400
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,000
but to pass information in order to get

2401
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,560
feedback they'll better what i'm doing

2402
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,120
or better the people i work with doing

2403
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,280
that's cool that's cool and i see that

2404
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,920
gaining speed thanks to many individuals

2405
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,280
including uh

2406
01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:13,199
you know amy boo and and uh the the

2407
01:22:16,149 --> 01:22:14,639
people i work with in the lim project

2408
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:16,159
and the people i collaborate outside the

2409
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,440
olympic project

2410
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,840
um uh too many people get dismayed with

2411
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:21,920
this topic and encryptives in general

2412
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:24,480
and a lot of stuff but uh you know as

2413
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,760
soon as you go down that road then if

2414
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,440
you're not having fun at it get out but

2415
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,840
uh yeah yeah just get out

2416
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,360
yeah i don't think i'd be doing this if

2417
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,880
i didn't enjoy it

2418
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,040
i'd be doing it too long don't ruin it

2419
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:36,560
for everybody else but here's here's one

2420
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:37,840
thing i want to say

2421
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,840
just this four of us

2422
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,440
uh

2423
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,679
we're discussing

2424
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:44,639
in

2425
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:48,960
all have

2426
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,080
slightly differing opinions and beliefs

2427
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:54,960
but we're not trashing each other

2428
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,040
this is how research

2429
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,719
should be done

2430
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,120
we agree to disagree i i don't know if i

2431
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:02,880
agree about that but i think about that

2432
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:04,000
it doesn't

2433
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:05,679
we're all a little bit right and we're

2434
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,840
all probably a little bit wrong because

2435
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,040
we don't know

2436
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,880
you know the government knows because a

2437
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,320
lot of companies know

2438
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,120
you know the paper companies know uh but

2439
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,760
we don't know so this is how an

2440
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:20,400
intelligent discourse should be held and

2441
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,000
thank you elon for putting this on but

2442
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,760
you know this is how

2443
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:25,920
you come to some conclusions that

2444
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,320
everybody can embrace or give people

2445
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,719
like the people watching the show

2446
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,960
give them a voice too because some of

2447
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,280
them believe what i say some believe

2448
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,320
what shane and ryan so this is how it

2449
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,560
should be done you know and you walk

2450
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:42,480
away going well that was respectful and

2451
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,920
intelligent i mean i'd agree with these

2452
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,840
guys but you know that was that's how it

2453
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,800
ought to be done because we're not

2454
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,159
sitting there calling each other names

2455
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:50,400
and you know trash

2456
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:52,480
you know how hateful the cryptid world

2457
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,390
i'm so tired of backbiting after all

2458
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,560
this um you know it seems like oh it's

2459
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:04,400
it is it's disgusting i feel like

2460
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,870
trying to talk you know yeah

2461
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,709
it's just this is real

2462
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,080
so this

2463
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,239
so carter tell us what you're up to tell

2464
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:20,080
us your projects and how people get a

2465
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,520
hold of you

2466
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:24,400
um you can get a hold of me my website

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01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:25,199
is

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01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:32,310
and uh i've written two books uh i

2469
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:34,159
started one just because they had all

2470
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,280
these

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01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:36,800
this material from

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01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:39,920
bfro reports and then i started hearing

2473
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,320
the really esoteric quantum bizarre

2474
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,560
stuff you know and you know ron moore

2475
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:46,719
had even contributed to my first book so

2476
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,639
i mean we're kind of on the same page

2477
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,239
you know

2478
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,080
but that i may be working on a second

2479
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,400
book i don't know uh i've been invited

2480
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:56,800
to a habituation site east of me here

2481
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,360
that a guy has caves on his property and

2482
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:00,960
he thinks that

2483
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,800
they're living there because they block

2484
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,639
the cave at certain times with giant

2485
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,800
boulders and stuff so i'm working on the

2486
01:25:11,350 --> 01:25:08,560
the habituation stuff right now because

2487
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,360
this is fascinating you know

2488
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:14,000
so that's kind of what i'm doing and uh

2489
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,639
and

2490
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,719
the two books these these are them

2491
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,400
there's one

2492
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:20,159
and there's the other

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01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,280
uh

2494
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:23,120
good books well researched if i do say

2495
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,880
so myself you know there's no fiction in

2496
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,040
the books these are what people tell me

2497
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,800
some people i've talked to yeah they're

2498
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:30,480
maybe full of crap but they're not in

2499
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:32,719
the books i i i blow them off i can tell

2500
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,719
when we all know we're getting yanked

2501
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,840
you know right

2502
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,360
you can tell when somebody's yanking

2503
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:39,440
your chain you know so you know much as

2504
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:40,719
i like to put some of these in there i

2505
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,520
can't because you're full of crap dude

2506
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,520
i'll move on to the next person so

2507
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:46,880
anyway that's me you can get a hold of

2508
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,520
me uh buy a book or if you got a report

2509
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,280
that nobody else will listen to or talk

2510
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:52,800
to i'm listening i'm like a laugh

2511
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,000
laugher scoff i want your data you know

2512
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:58,080
how about you ron

2513
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,440
um

2514
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,440
we're always filming something

2515
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,199
uh we just finished a bigfoot film

2516
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,199
called mom double three which all our

2517
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:08,159
films are at www.legendhunterfilms.com

2518
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,760
or you can get them on

2519
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,920
amazon we always have a couple projects

2520
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,480
going and currently i'm really

2521
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,480
i'm really

2522
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,400
concentrating on a lot of this missing

2523
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:19,920
people

2524
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,560
parks that just fascinates me the lives

2525
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,080
are amazing

2526
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:28,000
and uh i just would really like to dive

2527
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,669
it's great stuff and uh

2528
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:35,199
make water not a bigfoot i don't know

2529
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,280
but um

2530
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:38,800
that's probably a couple projects down

2531
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,400
the line because we jump around from

2532
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,639
treasure hunting to bigfoot to a couple

2533
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,080
different things so

2534
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:46,400
i don't want all our films to be bigfoot

2535
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,600
i it just

2536
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,880
it gets redundant and old to me

2537
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:52,400
in the dead horse i just i gotta do

2538
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,600
something else for a little bit and then

2539
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:56,159
we'll come back to it a different angle

2540
01:27:02,470 --> 01:26:57,360
so

2541
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,480
and ryan are part of uh the phantoms of

2542
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,040
monsters 14 research team

2543
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:07,679
and uh we're glad to have them we've got

2544
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,239
a pretty good bunch and we looked into a

2545
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,120
lot of different things so uh

2546
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:15,840
you guys are a big part of the team and

2547
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:18,159
i appreciate you coming on tonight shane

2548
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,760
tell us a bit about what's going on with

2549
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:21,120
you

2550
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,199
know come tomorrow we're gonna be doing

2551
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,080
a a week-long camp out in the nest area

2552
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,679
uh we got a bunch of different projects

2553
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,760
planned for this year some exciting ones

2554
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,120
um

2555
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:34,800
other than that you can find me at

2556
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:37,040
thelimpproject.com

2557
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,719
um also you can find me on instagram and

2558
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,480
facebook all those social media sites

2559
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:43,280
twitter whatever have you and uh i do a

2560
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:45,280
podcast called monstrex radio i've been

2561
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:47,600
doing that since about 2013

2562
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,600
um haven't put anything out lately but

2563
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:50,880
the show is going to pick back up again

2564
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:53,280
here we'll have a lot of great content

2565
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:55,120
i do have some speaking engagements come

2566
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,800
up around the state of washington and

2567
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,000
oregon

2568
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,760
maybe one or two outside of the state

2569
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:01,199
will or outside of those states we'll

2570
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:04,480
see um but yeah yeah feel free to reach

2571
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,440
out to me

2572
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:08,159
um and uh lon it's been a pleasure

2573
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,719
having me on uh carter and ryan been a

2574
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:12,320
pleasure uh listening to you guys and

2575
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:14,159
chatting with you guys and vincent thank

2576
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:15,440
you for all your work in the background

2577
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:16,800
there

2578
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:18,719
well guys i appreciate you coming on

2579
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:21,600
absolutely great to meet you shane and

2580
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:25,360
uh you ryan and carter

2581
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,840
i know you

2582
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,400
yeah

2583
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,000
you guys take it easy have a great

2584
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:32,159
weekend and i hope we can talk soon

2585
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:33,840
great thank you

2586
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:39,910
now if you have an unexplained encounter

2587
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,159
setting feel free to contact me directly

2588
01:28:45,229 --> 01:28:44,000
at lawn strickler

2589
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:45,239
at

2590
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,880
phantomsammonsters.com or through the

2591
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:48,880
phantoms masters blog site

2592
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:52,320
also if you would like your encounter or

2593
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:55,920
citing red on the personal report show

2594
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,400
please forward to my email

2595
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,639
i once again thank shane carter and ryan

2596
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:02,639
for joining me this evening

2597
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,880
and thanks to each and all of you for

2598
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,560
watching and chatting if you made a

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01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:09,360
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01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,120
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01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:13,440
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01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,400
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01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,800
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01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,480
so next week

2606
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,960
ann celine experiencer and author will

2607
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,760
be joining us uh anne has

2608
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:27,840
had encounters with ghosts shadow

2609
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:31,199
entities sasquatch and more

2610
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:33,760
she's a reiki master intuitive tarot

2611
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:34,639
reader

2612
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:37,760
and a vampire witch who loves to dive

2613
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,320
into the spiritual realm

2614
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,960
should be interesting a lot of fun so

2615
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,560
until next week

2616
01:29:57,230 --> 01:29:46,400
stay healthy and have a safe and